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sohois's avatar

interesting article, glad I saw this.

If I could offer some critique, this feels very much like a summary written by a typical ratfic reader, i.e. someone who started out with HPMOR, or maybe Scott Alexander's fiction or perhaps Worm, and then spread out from there. You've correctly identified the major Western, male canon, but I'd argue this is going to be the smallest part of any overall webfiction canon.

First I think leaving fanfic as a mere mention cuts out a huge quantity of female-focused romance fiction. While it's fair to put fanfiction as a separate thing, a ton of original fiction has arisen from fanfic routes. Harry Potter fanfics produced a bunch of authors, Cassandra Clare being an early example with her original work published in the 2000s. 50 shades of grey was notably a Twilight fanfiction. And more recently, "Romantasy" as an independent genre has emerged, with Sarah J. Mass beginning her series on fanfiction.net.

I'd also argue that not mentioning webcomics leaves out a vast array of fiction, both female- and male-oriented. I personally know little about the webcomic world, but from what I've seen the amount of content is just as large as that available on sites like RR or Fanfiction.net.

Second, and far larger, is webfiction originating from East Asia: China, Japan, and Korea. You touch on Xianxia, but I'm surprised you don't mention that even in English webfic sites, a huge chunk of popular stories are just translations of East Asian web fiction. In Japan it's really quite a mature market, with a number of popular IPs going through the Webnovel -> Light Novel -> Manga/Anime route to mainstream success.

Just for reference, numbers 2 and 4 in the highest grossing "book" apps on Google Play are Goodnovel - which appears to be a Singapore based team - and Webnovel - which is Chinese.

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matt's avatar

great post. very male centric tho.

real that you missed webnovels 4 women. like if you dont read them you wouldnt know abt them. i myself hadnt heard abt ratfit until this post.

but i have some thoughts.

1) isekai novels have a big fan translation community where fans (illegally) translate asian works into english. there are a LOT of subgenres within isekai novels. you mentioned system novels with video game inspried mechanics. but there is also a bunch of novels written for women, often more inspired by dating sims than fps games. r/otomeisekai is a decent hub. they tend to revolve around a woman getting isekaied from the modern world to a generic western fantasy world and falling in love. i could write a whole article on villainess manhwa so i will stop myself here. just know it is an extremely rich genre.

2) webnovels are often turned into webcomics. this can be an light novel -> manga --> anime --> live action adaptation pipeline. westernly, i know webtoon has turned wattpad novels into webtoons. or sometimes movies. (see: 50 shades of grey.)

3) you fail to cover romance novels in depth enough. wattpad novels can have a lot of fandom overlap but often take on lives of their own. a lot of harry styles fanfic are really good on their own and get turned into movies. again, 50 shades of grey is famous for starting as a dramionie fanfic but taking on a life of its own.

4) fandom is also very complex. wattpad tends to have straight romance, while archiveofourown has more queer works. wattpad is famous for harry styles x reader fics, while ao3 is famous for destiel, which is a gay ship between two characters from supernatural. i cant stress this enough: ao3 fanfics are good without even being in the fandoms. i know a lot of queer fantasy authors have come out of ao3, like naomi novik and tansym muir.

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